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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby vonripsnorter » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:45 pm

Manifolds Look to have be painted black on your engine Dale ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTIkoPbN ... 4sjOYx7zrA

VintageSpeed'58 wrote: Von...Not sure why the Deitz should produce more than the Express (which is what my manifolds are...modified in NZ with a far larger than stock balance tube) as I thought they both used the same carbs? However with my 7.5:1 CR and larger intakes I should see an improvement (but less than the 20% needed to get it all certified).

Time will tell....Richard


Could just be differences in individual engines tested & the car with the Deitz Manifolds might have been a little healthier even before the modification? Who knows
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:59 pm

Nope..that's them. Hope I don't have the same problems!
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:14 pm

OK; one remaining issue...how do I manage to get my hand past the new solid fuel line, wiring, choke cable and next to the fan housing to adjust the throttle control screw on the RHS carb!!! (note the carbs are on the opposite way to when Dale had the manifolds as I wanted them to sit in the same direction as stock!).

Still....goes nicely but just ticking over too fast....

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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:08 pm

Been using the '58 far too regularly as my oldest daughter has been using my daily driver; 70km round trip to and from work....

However, as much as I love my tapered tailpipes the exhaust is loud and un-neighbourly when I have to start it at 5.30am. Any ideas how to make a standard exhaust with straight through pipes quieter?

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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby 6pack » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:21 pm

Change your neighbours or ur neighbourhood

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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:49 am

Only been here 3 weeks...can't move yet! Any ideas anyone?
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:44 pm

Anyone read German...wonder what the shipping would be on a pair of these?
http://www.tde-kaefer-tuning.de/index.php?pageid=9
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:11 pm

OK...Santa brought me a pair of the TDE tailpipes; now much more neighbourly and overall more pleasant to drive!
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:11 pm

OK...Santa brought me a pair of the TDE tailpipes; now much more neighbourly and overall more pleasant to drive!
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby mattbug » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:28 pm

Did the 'learn German DVD' from santa help in your buying decision?

They look very cool.
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:53 pm

Ordered with the help of a fellow vintage speed enthusiast on the Samba who happens to be in Germany!
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:33 am

As with any Vee Dub this is still an ongoing project!

I am about to pull the split case gearbox(very noisy and it destroyed the clutch release bearing a few months ago in part I think due to the 'fork' being a little bent and very worn). Going to replace this with a 'built' later gearbox, ready for the day that I get the funds for a 2180 or 2276.

The box will have a Type2 nosecone. Does anyone know, do I still use the standard front mount or do I need to source something different?

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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby Dub-Vegas » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:19 am

I think you do need an aftermarket front mount, Or some modification work.
here's what uncle Keith has to say :D
(extract is from Keith Seumes vw beetle performance handbook (page 15 if you have it))

"use the nosecone from an early Type 2 transmission (pre '68) and the matching hockey stick gear selector rod, bolted in place of the original beetle components. The selector rod need to be modified slightly - the small locating detent for the set screw on the gear linkage coupling is drilled from underneath on a type 2 as opposed to above on a beetle. This detent must therefore be redrilled 180º from its original location so that it can be used with the beetles coupling. this is by far the most simple way to carry out the late into early swap and the part numbers are 211 301 205H for the nosecone and 113 311 541 for the selector rod you will also need a mounting pad 211 310 265A, to complete the conversion.

there may be other ways to do it, Keith's book was written in 97, so there may be a complete aftermarket kit available now.
maybe someone else knows?
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:38 am

Hi Dub Vegas
Many thanks for the information. Sounds like I need that mount! Wolfsburg West sell a solid mount which I'm not keen on!
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby s1fter » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:27 pm

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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:52 am

That's the one that WW sell! I think that allows you to fit without the bus nose cone mod....so I'll need to bus mount mentioned earlier.
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby vonripsnorter » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:43 am

Interesting , I was reading this thinking "I'm sure it was a lot simpler than all this & using all OEM parts ?"

Back in the 80's I had the split box replaced with a rebuilt tunnel box in my Beetle of the time.

I drove to work one day with a split box & drove home the same day with a tunnel box , no nose cone changing or modified selector rods etc & the OEM gearbox front mount.

After a bit of Goggling ( which didn't exist back then ) , Turns out I was lucky . it was only such a simple mod for one year ( 1960 ) so it turns out.

We used one of these 111 701 173 C Image
Welded it to the pan & then the standard sedan front nosecone & rubberised front mount bolted right up to it .

Almost too simple.

Out of interest, why cant this mounting plate be used on a pre 1960? was the pan fork head a different shape ?
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby s1fter » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:54 am

We have sold those in the past, but are hard to find from suppliers
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby vonripsnorter » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:18 pm

s1fter wrote:We have sold those in the past, but are hard to find from suppliers

Looks like these guys have them "&" I see they say fits 1960 AND earlier beetles, so guess that answers my question :D

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/Detai ... 111701173c
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Re: Dual Carb '58 Project

Postby VintageSpeed'58 » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:26 am

I think my conversion will be pretty straight forward. I'm getting a box built anyway and so adding the T2 nosecone isn't an issue. Should then bolt straight in with the new T2 rubber mount.

I'm looking forward to some relatively quiet cruising and less noise around town too. I should really use ear plugs when on a long run with the existing box! Looking forward to getting it up an running again and shifting through the gears with my new Gene Berg 14" bent shifter that I picked up a couple of weeks ago (first will now be within easy reach for me).
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